LanceRiley, I have a 723 build (w/ C7 upper) and a 727 build (A2 upper) that use 14.5" Colt M4 barrels. If it was some flat top + 16" FSB barrel id just swap upper/barrel, but this is a little more challenging to do that with. It is milled out of 6061 T6. This gave it a longer point for the magazine to allow the rounds to come out of the magazine and feed into the chamber. Barrel is medium SPR profiled barrel, threaded with a 1/2-28 thread for the AE brakes and collar. . Absolutely nothing to do with casing diameter, or whatever other weird sht you guys imagine. "C" stamp and CAGE code available. With the increased use of larger-diameter cased cartridges, the M4 feed ramps are proving their values when using them in those cartridges. By Yamil Sued August 6, 2021. I've seen that pic, it is a good reference. Related: If you are using a Ar rifle, best green laser sight is good choice for hunting. Ballistic Performance of Federal Punch .22 LR Ammunition with the Heritage Barkeep #1063. Using an upper with M4 feed ramps with a barrel that does not have them will lead to feed problems as it creates a ledge/lip that can catch the bullet tip as it tries to feed. upper recievers and barrels are hard to comeby. How long your barrel "lasts" depends on what your accuracy threshold is before you decide it is too bad to keep using. Other selections are available for upper, bolt and carrier, charging handle, handguards, flash hiders, and gas blocks. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - M4 feed ramp barrel in a non M4 ramp upper. I think my question would be why rifle receiver+M4 barrel is just "ok" rather than "good", unless the point is that in a carbine-gas gun M4 ramps are just considered an improvement over no ramps. You want them to match. It's not worth changing the barrel extension on an already finished barrel, getting the new barrel extension to line up correctly with the gas port will probably cost more in gunsmithing/machining fees than buying a new barrel. And that is the important thing! 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Thread: Adding M4 feedramps to A1/C7 upper. The M4 was the first (allegedy) carbine length gas system. pictures would help. Feedramps, proper staking of castle nuts, forward assist (yep went there)S-happens seen it. Your link has been automatically embedded. Machined from 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium Steel and feature a QPQ corrosion resistant finish and QPQ coated M4 feed ramp extension. I have a non ramped barrel in a ramped upper, feeds fine. Brevity matters. The Shooter's Log, is to provide informationnot opinionsto our customers and the shooting community. The Mission of Cheaper Than Dirt! M4 feed ramps are not an original design, they were designed for the M4 In fact, the . You also repeated yourself. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. The mil actually only specs M4 feed ramps for use in its M4s. So, an M4 feed ramp includes the barrel extension and the upper. The best case is to have both an upper and barrel that have the feed ramps. Barrel Length: 16" Barrel Material: 4150V Chrome Moly Vanadium Steel Barrel Finish: Phosphate Barrel Profile: M4 Chamber: 5.56 NATO Twist Rate: 1 in 7" Extension: M4 Gas System: Carbine-Length Gas Block Type: Low Profile .750" Diameter Upper Receiver: Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum Receiver Style: M4 Flat top with feed ramps Receiver Finish: Hardcoat Anodized The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. As suggested, its best to match the upper and barrel extension no worries that way. I put together a second AR9 that is having a feeding issue, even if using similar parts as the first one. There are several, but Steve and the guys at ADCO in OH are one such option (they use the Dremel method, but they do it right as I have seen several first-hand examples of their work and its performance after the fact). BUT, I DO NOT TRUST MY LIFE TO THAT WEAPON. If you don't clean it but demand 3/4MOA you might get 1,500. so im thinking I might as well just get the unramp upper. I don't have much to add re: feed ramps, but. The barrel blanks available are made from 416 Stainless Steel. Barrel customizations are also available. Display as a link instead, Our 6.5 Grendel Black Nitride rifle barrels are made from the finest 4150 Chrome Moly Vanadium and precisely rifled for high accuracy at a great price. Little polish. However, an M4 barrel extension is dished more so the feed ramps could extend downward, and then an area within the upper is shaped to match. Edited April 27, 2014 by Mark Gale M4 feed ramps will extend the barrel extension and the upper receiver. By my estimates, the tip of the bullet first hits the barrel extension about 1/3 of the way up the respective feed ramp on the barrel extension. Guess what? Feels like a silly question now that it makes sense. If it's happening regularly, check the magazines you are using for serviceability. Then the manufacturer discontinued the barrel. On AR9's, I understand the distance between the Mag Follower and the Feed Ramp is a known complication in the design. It's near impossible to replace the carry handle upper I have these days, and finding a colt chrome lined 20" light weight barrel isn't a walk in the park either. May 17, 2008 in The Armorer. Either way is good and both types work great with semi auto only guns. Thats true overall and good to keep in mind. Most work performed while-you-wait, evening and saturday appointments available. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. /r/ar15 is here for your favorite black gun links, build pics, questions and other tactical or practical information. They guide the bullet up and into the chamber. That puts the cartridge in a position where the extended feed ramp improves the breech-loading design. As they are becoming more and more a standard, and certainly do not do any harm to us. I am glad to know that I need to look for changes in design and the differences in the A2 and A4 feed ramp / rails. If you ever have an issue, then look at getting a correct barrel for the upper. Go back to writing school. In military situations, it is advantageous for rifles to function with damaged, worn, or less than ideally serviceable magazines. are all barrels w/ m4 feed ramps?? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Feed Ramps -300BlkTalk Adding feedramps - M4Carbine.net They . We have four combinations here: Mind shooting me a link where I can pick on a C marked A1 carry handle for $150? M16s and M16-A1s run at 750 rounds per minute in full auto. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. You can put a M4 barrel and non-M4 receiver together, but you can't mismatch them the other way. Do you need an M4 feed ramp on your AR? Here is some info. Here you can see an upper with "rifle" feedramps. I'll probably build a pistol out of this one. M4 Feed ramps on barrel extensions are a solid example. Is it worth the extra 50 bucks?" Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. The ramps on the regular rifle-type extension are cut just to the edge of the extension. You can post now and register later. It's not worth changing the barrel extension on an already finished barrel, getting the new barrel extension to line up correctly with the gas port will probably cost more in gunsmithing/machining fees than buying a new barrel. You will be able to leave a comment after signing in, AR15Armory.com For the purposes of this chapter, we'll call the new one the M4, and the old one the AR. Experts advise on 31 degrees+30 minus-zip. This Kit is made to cut or polish the STEEL Feed Ramps on your Barrel Extension ONLY. I suggest you get a rifle receiver. The only one I found is LaRue's upper, but it won't work with the hand guard I'm using (Geissele MKIII). FN AR-15 5.56X45mm Nato . Please be respectful of others. Everything that you have on your side to make any weapons more reliable and work when it absolutely needs to is a plus. You can modify the upper, but bear in mind that the un-anodized aluminum surface will be very soft and prone to wear if your particular bullet hits it frequently. Its fine to use an M4 Barrel with a non-N4 (rifle) upper but if you have the barrel already is much simpler to just buy a M-4 upper and just replace the upper the barrel is harder to build..I have even cut ramps on a rifle upper and it really wasent needed That is before I knew better.Then I guncoted the ramps before I found out about Aluminum Black treatment. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. FWIW one of my rifles has M4 feed ramps on the barrel and no M4 feed ramps on the upper and it has functioned just fine. There's a 7 degree difference between standard and M4 ramps. I prefer them. I think you will find that the tip of the bullet clears the M4 cuts in the upper receiver by a wide margin. Load a magazine with two or three rounds, lock the bolt group back on your rifle or carbine and insert the magazine. Having been in military supply, I know that what the mil-spec means: it gets the minimum job done for thousands (millions) of parts/systems. The leading cause that leads to the development of the M4 feed ramp is the gas pressure from the carbine gas system that is increasing along with a high cyclic rate. Questions on how to install your new BA barrel? Home Firearms Figuring Out Feed Ramps. A couple of times I ended up with the OK set up from the picture above. All uppers are assembled cleaned and tested before shipping. The photo shows the dents and the bolt lugs line up perfectly. Finding the proper upper receiver is your best option. There is no way to make a carbine barrel extension out of a rifle barrel extension, period, full stop. If I can correct an issue before it's an issue that is preferred. True, which is why they're not even needed in semi autos. again, Thanks. AR Tech Tip - Checking M4 Ramps for overhang School of the American Rifle 84.8K subscribers Subscribe 2.9K 90K views 2 years ago AR Tech Tip - Checking M4 Ramps for overhang Show more Show more. Supposedly you'll only notice issues with rapid/auto fire with a configuration like this. It's going to a gunsmith to be shortened and rethreaded anyways, can they just grind/polish the feed ramps to match or is it more involved than that? You have a rifle barrel. It has 2 ramps cut into the receiver to help the rounds feed into the chamber. Site towers are not "F" marked SPECS: Length- 14.5". Costs about $40-50 to have the feed ramps reprofiled from what I can gather. Don't forget read more information about it here! Konza Defender M-LOK 5.56 16" Rifle 1x7 FEATURES: 16" 4150 Nitride 1x7 5.56 Barrel T-Marked Upper with M4 Feed Ramps Steel Micro Gas Block, and Carbine Length Gas Tube 15" 7075 T6 Aluminum Free Float M-LOK Hand Guard A2 Muzzle Break BCG is an M16 Style Nitride QPQ Finish Charging Handle Mil-Spec 6 Position Mil-Spec Diameter Stock A closer look at uppers and barrel extensions. I don't quite trust myself to give it a go, but if that's all there is to it I'm hoping they can do it for a reasonable price. I'd get jams from bullets hitting the back of the upper so I took a small round file and made the M4 ramps in the upper. All this basically means is that the ramps continue from the barrel extension down through the upper receiver tonthe magazine. Additionally, in this increasingly specialized world of AR-15 parts that we live in, there are proprietary feed ramp cuts used for some alternate cartridges, such as .458 SOCOM. So, I had purchased a 458 upper. You can run M4 cut barrels with rifle receivers, but not the other way around as it will create at catch that can hang up the bullets. This space is for pictures of "retro" Stoner rifles and completed or partial retro AR-15 builds, as well as discussions about either. this is the barrel designed and profiled for the Mark 12 Mod 0 uppers and rifles. However the DD 14.5 are ideally meant to mate up with M4 style upper receiver feedramps. You can run M4 cut barrels with rifle receivers, but not the other way around as it will create at catch that can hang up the bullets. For use by barrel manufacturers. Share it in the comments section. M4 ramps help in feeding in for carbine in full auto. If this is your first visit, be sure to This USGI modification was done to both the barrel extension and the upper receiver, creating a longer and steeper feed ramp. M4 16", SBN, 1:7, 5.56 NATO Barrel Specifications: - Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223 REM) - Gas Tube: Car Add to Cart. AR-15 Feed Ramp Problems - School of the American Rifle In short, if you have a Dremmel you can do it yourself. Looking For Bear Creek Arsenal Barrels Review? aaargh.. that's the setup I hate to see. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Owning Best Ruger SR9c Accessories Can Change Your Life. Polishing the edges of the chamber mouth to remove the edges of that chamfer will. JavaScript is disabled. [WTB] Black A1 carry handle upper NON-m4 feed ramp $200 m4 feed ramps - The Armorer - AR15Armory.com Forged 7075-T6 aluminum is harder than a bulls balls. AR9 - Help diagnosing feeding issue - Calguns.net I'm a machinist in the aerospace industry and lucky enough to have. Adding M4 feedramps to A1/C7 upper - M4Carbine.net It's best to have M4 ramps on both the upper and barrel. M4 Barrel Extension (M4 Feedramps) - Bravo Company USA This can lead to a rare but odd situation; barrel and receiver mismatch. For new construction barrels only. can you buy feed ramps individually? FFL Fax: 866-721-8691. The closest brand new barrel you are likely to find is the Windham Weaponry 20 inch 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel. I would just make sure to order rifle upper with rifle barrel extension or M4 upper with M4 barrel extension. I replaced the M4 feed ramp barrel with a monolithic feed ramp barrel and no more problems. Feed ramps on barrel extensions are a good example. It is removeable with a special wrench and a barrel clamp/vise. If your upper isn't showing signs of bullets rubbing on the aluminum under the barrel extension, you should be good with M4 ramps. RTS Bartlein: 6mm ARC 26" - Compass Lake Engineering, LLC Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. is the m4 feedramp common in barrel extensions? P2A PATRIOT 22" 223 Wylde 1/7 Rifle Length Melonite Fluted Heavy Bull Description. I checked what I have now. That's an important thing since without the feed ramps, issues can arise when receivers and barrel extensions are mismatched. Backing up a ton: Any and all AR-15 barrel extensions have feed ramps. 1 is a standard and the other for use with m4 feed ramp barrels. If your mag catch is at Spec height, you should not have a problem with an M4 cut barrel in a rifle receiver. Press J to jump to the feed. Not all mil-spec features advertised on the product information are the real mil-specs. So, lets glide down these lines below to erase your misconceptions about them. So, an M4 feed ramp includes the barrel extension and the upper. M4A1s run at 950 rounds per minute in full auto and even 950+ rounds per minute as the gas port erodes open bigger and bigger with wear and allows them to run even faster and much more violent. I recently picked up a barrel that I thought had M4 feed ramps, but it doesn't line up with my M4 feed ramp upper. My alternative plan is to do exactly as you describe. April 23, 2014 in Rifle - Technical. If I have a rifle ramp upper and get the barrel later and coincidentally will have an m4 ramp. A forum community dedicated to drag racing drivers and enthusiasts. 6.5 Grendel Type 2 | 16" Black Nitride | 1:8 Twist Carbine Length Gas One new winner* is announced every week! SKU: BCM-URG-M4-16 Features: M4 Feed Ramp Barrel Extension Caliber: 5.56 NATO Barrel Length: 16in Barrel Style: Standard Handguard: None BCM M4 Handguards (Double Heat Shield) - Black + $15.00 PKMR (Polymer KeyMod Rail) Carbine Length - Black + $24.95 PKMR (Polymer KeyMod Rail) Carbine Length - Flat Dark Earth + $24.95 Stock Status: Out of stock I have done the same, protect the Barrel extension with a layer of electrical tape and carefully file or Dremel the ramps into the aluminum receiver. Olympic Arms Upper receiver with rear sight assembly and forward assist and dust cover has M4 feed ramps $260 View attachment 1016575 View attachment 1016576

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